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Sydney_Iron 10:44 Sat Nov 28
Has VAR made Football better in any way?
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Liverpool this time with goals ruled out and a late penalty awarded against them, but every weekend there is at least one VAR controversy, every team has been affected, an incident were VAR has to run through the footage multiple times to try and find an error, how is that clear and obvious??? A trailing arm, a hand or a players foot a few inches the wrong side of line drawn on a TV screen determines an offside and a goal ruled out, a ball kicked at point blank range that grazes the upper arm is a penalty, a player is deemed to have bought down another if he trips over his outstretched foot, because in the freeze frame 1/100th of a second before the defending player is or appears to be millimetres from the ball, yet if there was contact with the ball, no penalty!!!
Then we seem to have this ridiculous situation were if a dangerous tackle or challenge has taken place (as with VVD and Pickford), BUT someone was offside, no action taken by VAR to notify the referee, or players going down like they are shot to get VAR looking for the slightest of errors for a penalty but if nothing can be found, not even a caution for the player taking the dive.
And VAR was supposed to make it a better game…………………Has it Fuck.
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Hermit Road
12:08 Sun Nov 29
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I opened this thread just to say, ‘no’. Then I read your first line and have changed my answer to ‘yes’.
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Faux Bare
12:15 Sun Nov 29
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It’s made me frightened to celebrate any goal as I always feel there’ll be some excuse to disallow it.
And for that alone it deserves to be scrapped.
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Briano
12:38 Sun Nov 29
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Hermit
Yes nice to see the ‘victims’ in meltdown nearly every game
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RBshorty
12:48 Sun Nov 29
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The more they moan. The more I want it to stay. When Chicken Mo goes down it's ok. When it goes against them. It's open season. Fuck'em.!
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GreenStreetPlayer
1:00 Sun Nov 29
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Seems to me the problems are all down to those involved with the decision making.
Just who are the people deciding if a finger nail is offside?
To me it just comes down to common sense and if they can’t agree a decision, and quick then no action is taken.
I thought the idea was to help ref out a bit, but take the obvious errors missed out of the game.
Now, they are looking too hard for fault.
It’s an easy fix if they just revisited what it was brought in for.
There’s people too anal looking at it.
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Ronald_antly
1:45 Sun Nov 29
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Nice to see there is one topic you can talk sense about, Squiddly.
VAR is good in principle, but the implementation has been shite.
The use of these lines to determine if a player has a hair in an offside position is particularly maddening.
Do away with those fucking lines, and if the person looking at a freeze frame still can't be sure, then it should be ONSIDE!
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Manuel
3:51 Sun Nov 29
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The one and maybe only positive for me is you no longer get onside goals being ruled out for offside, as the lino's have been told to keep their flags down until the phase of play ends (as var will look at it) Or if the whistle does blow the player still usually puts the ball in just incase he was onside. This is good.
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hammerintheorient
4:17 Sun Nov 29
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Put it this way; do you ever hear fans of team in the lower leagues begging for it?
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Sven Roeder
8:44 Sun Nov 29
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We seem to have gone from arguing about shit ref decisions to arguing about shit VAR decisions.
And the spontaneous celebrating of a goal being sucked out seems to be a major problem
That said when I’ve watched Champions league and international football VAR doesn’t seem to be as controversial
I’d say the problems are the laws and the atrocious referees administering it.
Offside ... it’s a question of fact with the lines but going to millimetres with lines I don’t trust is bollocks. Need to change the law to say that there is daylight ahead of the last defender
Handball ... just need to go back to the old rule of intention. Ball to hand, hand to ball . One look at normal speed for VAR to send the ref to the screen
Contact in the box ... did the defender initiate the contact? And give pens when it’s a foul even if the player doesn’t go down .
VAR can help but it’s been used badly and no one knows what exactly is a penalty. Plus there is a reluctance to call out cheats like Salah and get them out of the game.
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Manuel
9:01 Sun Nov 29
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You could have just said it's a mess from top to bottom, which it is. What happened to FIFA taking control of it away from the PL, did that actually happen yet, and if how has anything changed?
Another thing that come up yesterday was that at the beginning of the season when they said refs would start to use the pitchside monitor they would only look at the incident in real time, but they are viewing at in slow motion, which always makes a tackle, for example, look worse than what it is. Whenever the ref goes to the monitor you know what decision he will arrive at.
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Haz
9:08 Sun Nov 29
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It was always going to be SHIT. One of the biggest backward steps in the game. Second only to getting rid of the Terraces in my opinion.
We now have to wait until Sky et al tell us we can celebrate. It will never improve. It will always be SHIT.
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Sven Roeder
9:18 Sun Nov 29
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It did disallow 2 Liverpool goals and hopefully reveal to those who are naive the true character of the jolly German
So not all bad
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Haz
9:21 Sun Nov 29
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Sven, I'll grant you that, but one grain of sand does not a beach make!
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JayeMPee
9:51 Sun Nov 29
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Abysmal and potentially corrupt, as Sven said what has happened to the spontaneous reaction to a goal when you have to wait a ridiculous amount of time for var to confirm it. But it has created loads of jobs which some may see as a positive.
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Badhabit
10:43 Sun Nov 29
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Totally agree with Sven ... clear daylight and hand to ball (as long as Joe Marler doesn't take up football).. What gets me though is the arse lickers on MotD. They bring out the footage of Salah's pen vs us, not to justify an argument that it evens out over the season, or, 'well if that was a pen, then can understand how Welbecks was given' ...not at all, they now argue that the Welbeck pen should NOT have been given, because Salah's vs us should not have been given either!! Double standards.... but then this is Liverpool, and of course Danny Murphy IS Liverpool as well
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goose
11:14 Sun Nov 29
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There’s been some excellent examples and some awful examples of how to use VAR.
It’s also highlighted how bad some of the rules are.
For me it’s being used too much on decisions that are too close to call. If you can’t decide after about 30secs then the decision on the field stands.
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Ron Greensward
11:25 Sun Nov 29
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No. Laws are even being changed now to make it easier to VAR to decide. Go back to clear daylight at offside, handball and fouls being deliberate.Its not a foul if you happen to make contact with the opposition player when attempting to kick the ball.
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,
11:26 Sun Nov 29
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It’s the apparent inconsistency in interpretation that is the real issue. All the footage does is present the evidence.
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JLAP
11:39 Sun Nov 29
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If it deals with shit housery misses like the James Milner so far offside he was nearly in Upton Park, at the OS then yes.
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